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Dean Talks Anime

Post by DeanTheAdequate » Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:21 am

Hello gentle forum goers, it's me the very same Dean from the articles. Now live-ish!

This is a thread where I'll be spitballing ideas for new articles, answering questions and generally asking what you all think. I've missed forum posting because it's just so slower paced and there for me when I can get to it.

That being said, let's chat! Let's do the thing, let's all talk, about anime!
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Re: Dean Talks Anime

Post by KingMan » Tue Apr 18, 2017 8:08 pm

I was thinking of an article on everything Speed Racer. The anime, the live action movie, and I think there was even an attempt at an American comic reboot in the early 2000s.

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Post by Yaoi Huntress Earth » Tue Apr 18, 2017 9:21 pm

I remember there was an American mini series and it was really good. I wouldn't mind seeing you do one on Voltron (both the lions and the cars versions).
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Re: Dean Talks Anime

Post by DeanTheAdequate » Wed Apr 19, 2017 12:22 am

KingMan wrote:
Tue Apr 18, 2017 8:08 pm
I was thinking of an article on everything Speed Racer. The anime, the live action movie, and I think there was even an attempt at an American comic reboot in the early 2000s.
Oh man yes. You see I really enjoyed Speed Racer but everything they have tried since has pretty much flopped since the original series. There are three additional TV series to talk about. It's insane!

And not to mention the parodies and spin offs. MTV even tried to invoke the original series as something to run against Adult Swim when it started getting popular. As you can tell it didn't work but still.
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Post by DeanTheAdequate » Wed Apr 19, 2017 12:25 am

Yaoi Huntress Earth wrote:
Tue Apr 18, 2017 9:21 pm
I remember there was an American mini series and it was really good. I wouldn't mind seeing you do one on Voltron (both the lions and the cars versions).
Voltron was a strange one for me. Something about them being lions instead of robots themselves or something made me not like this one as much as a kid. And then the vehicle version, whoof... even worse.

And I did start to watch the one on Netflix but man, the Korra just ooozes from the entire artistic and writing style. And hey, why is the princess stuck at base all the time? Hmmm, not very progressive old Korra staff, HMMMMMM???

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Post by Yaoi Huntress Earth » Wed Apr 19, 2017 12:32 am

My guess is the creative team was giving Shiro (who used to be the quickly disposed Sven) more to do and realized they just couldn't ditch them.
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Post by Cirrus » Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:32 pm

Why not do an article about doujin artists going mainstream with their work. I just found out that the artist for Oreimo and Eromanga not only still does porn under a pen name, but uses the same characters and character designs in the porn.

That made me very confused, since most artists (even though they'll perv up their work most of the time,) stop doing porn as soon as they get a mainstream hit. Food Wars, Hellsing, and Tenjou Tenge being some examples. But then there are people who meld their porn and mainstream careers too. I mentioned the Oreimo artist, (goes by number2 in case you wanna see for yourself,) the artist for To Love-Ru I know still does porn despite his work basically being porn, and then there's the mecha series GoDannar which had a doujin commissioned to serve as a epilogue to the anime.

I guess what I'm asking for is an article on why and if a porn artist becomes mainstream, how does that affect their work, and how does that affect the fandom? (Because I'm sure hiring an artist like that will create porn from the otaku communities.)
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Post by DeanTheAdequate » Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:37 pm

Well the game seems to have changed over the years for a great many manga professionals.

See it used to be you jobbed around, trying to get noticed. This usually meant doing non-H related doujins that were basically your pitches fleshed out that you could test at comiket or wherever then send it off to a manga anthology magazine like Shonen Jump or Young Hours. In the meantime, however, you needed money for food, rent etc. You made sure you loaded up your table at the convention with saucy, smutty, censored porn because this was the bulk of the money you were going to have to live on while you pitched your ideas and refined your art style. And then, one day, you make it. If all goes well you get a nice contract for steady, paid work. You can hire assistants, and then let everything else pan out for merch and advertising opportunities. And if you fail, then you could comfortably slide back into erotic stuff, only this time being wider known meant you could get larger underground followings and make a living that way instead. For many of the manga-ka I research in the "Lost Manga Artists" sub series this seems to be the path a lot of them have taken (The one on Masamune Shirow is comign down the pipe and it holds to this a fair bit).

But these days manga creators have to keep their hands in the porn market at the same time for one of two reasons (or both). On the one hand you get the folks that really like the idea of eroticism in their comics, but they know it wouldn't nearly pay the dividends they'd like if they went full erotic manga series. So they have some lewdness in their manga, and it can get rally close to the line but whatever editors they have wrangle them in just enough to make it publishable. Then on the other hand you have the manga creators who know how easy it is to simply fall back to the wayside and get dropped by your publisher. So they keep a hand in the porn-ness to make sure they have more of an income because you don't know when the non-porn is going to dry up. In short with the surplus of manga creators it's tough to stay fed without doing part time porn.

This is a neat idea. I'll have to do some research for more viable examples and find out some of the ways these changes are affecting both production and fandom.
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Re: Dean Talks Anime

Post by KingMan » Mon May 15, 2017 9:08 pm

Liked the Masmune Shirow article, it's a good start for the "Lost Manga Artist" series.

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Re: Dean Talks Anime

Post by DeanTheAdequate » Wed May 17, 2017 1:19 am

Billy Mays here! Back from the dead! You'd think it's the first... BUT WAIT!

http://animeoutsiders.com/lost-manga-ar ... ji-manabe/

THERE'S MORE!
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